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Announcing
The 23rd Charles Hampson Grant Memorial International Mass Launch Of Cloud Tramps
Or
GRANT MIMLOCT 2018
Scroll down for 2018 report.
We are promoting this event to celebrate the contributions made by Charles Grant to the development of our hobby. We hope that as many people as possible will make a Cloud Tramp and join in the simultaneous launch on Saturday, August 4, 2018. The Launch Time will be 1700 hrs British Summer Time (GMT + 1 hour), so individual participants will have to calculate the appropriate local time at their venue [ New York, 1200 hrs; California, 0900 hrs; Sydney 0400 hrs, etc. ]
GRANT MIMLOCT 2018 is not a competition and there are no prizes. We hope participants will enjoy the fun of building and flying the Cloud Tramp, as well as taking part in this unique event, which attracted 141 participants from all over the World in 2016 and 131 in 2017.
Please let us know if you take part in GM 2018 so that your name can be included in the official report. Use the Comment feature below.
NEW! A CLOUD TRAMP MUG is available on eBay, type Cloud Tramp Mug into the search box. Mike Parker has one of these and they are very nice quality.
make a cloud tramp
The Cloud Tramp was the last manifestation of Charlie Grant’s basic stick rubber model for beginners and appeared in Model Airplane News, August, 1954. These models were intended to illustrate scientific principles of design, trimming and stability. The Cloud Tramp can be built very quickly and flies well. A copy of the plan [ half-size, with some full size parts ] can be downloaded.
Save it to hard disk and open it with a suitable application so that it can be printed at the correct A4 (11″ x 8.5″ USA) size. Size it so the wing chord is 3″. The text of the accompanying article can be read on Garry Hunter’s excellent website.
Two articles about Charles Grant and the Cloud Tramp have appeared in the magazine Free Flight Quarterly, Issue No. 2, January 2002, page 18 and Issue No. 3, April 2002, page 19. Back issues are available on CDs.
Lastly, why not decorate your CT with an authentic Charlie Grant autograph,
or even better, this neat graphic specially drawn by Iain Paterson.
Just import it into a Microsoft Word document or equivalent, adjust to the size you want, then print onto tissue and dope/glue it in place.
If you want a full size CT plan specially drawn by Bob Jones, click HERE.
cloud tramp kits
A Laser cut Cloud Tramp kit is available from George Bredehoft in the USA. He emailed to say:
I make them in small batches and can provide overseas. Of course, combined orders will save on shipping.
Orders should be placed on the website (regardless of apparent stock-on-hand).
I offer a balsa prop, cut to the specs in Charles Hampson Grant’s book – where he describes and defines the Cloud Tramp. On my site, I offer a “combo” pack of the kit plus the prop blank, giving the buyer a discount when they order the combo.
A&DB Models in Great Britain made a kit at one time.
I am pleased to report that a new kit is being produced by Vintage Model Company in Great Britain, convenient to the European market.
modifications and suggestions
The prop shaft bearing can be modified to aid trimming – have a look at some ideas that Pete Money has collected, including a neat adjustable system developed by Bob Morris, and the alternative system that Bob Kopksi uses. Pete has also forwarded some suggestions for improving the wing construction and fixing. See also our suggestions on EndlessLift. (This construction was adopted by George Bredehoft for his Volare kits.) If your CT needs a D/T, Roland Frid has developed a neat system. If you fancy a change from rubber power, have a look at Tony Overton’s alternatives or even try an enlarged R/C version like Den Saxcoburg.
I discovered this while compiling this year’s report. Scroll down to page 4 for an article on getting the most out of your Cloud Tramp by Andy Sephton.
http://www.peterboroughmfc.org/newsletters/2015-Dec-Plane%20Talking-A5.pdf
previous mimloct reports
Have a look at Colin Hutchinson’s 2011 and 2012 photopages of the event.
There are several videos featuring Cloud Tramps on YouTube! Just type Cloud Tramp into the search box to find them.
Mike Parker compiled a report of GM 2015 from the various anecdotes submitted by participants. Please feel free to print copies for circulation to those folks who are not yet part of the www community.
See the Epsom Downs Model Aircraft Club fly their Cloud Tramps here EDMAC.
Read the 2017 MIMLOCT Report
2018 Report – photos and videos
We had 196 flyers and 8 other participants for a total of 204 people enjoying Cloud Tramp flying.
Thank you Charlie!
Bill Kuhl made some early ROG test flights. See the corresponding note below in Comments.
More photos from Bill on MIMLOCT day.
Mike Parker photos.
John O’Sullivan.
James Bair, McCook Field Squadron.
Joan Campbell and Stu Cummins launching their Cloud Tramps.
Ricky Bould.
Simon Milan.
Oh, no!
John Tate.
Gary Hinze.
2,000 turns on a four 0.094″ strand 29″ motor gave me the one minute flight I was hoping for. More than that risks losing the Cloud Tramp out of this small park in the wind drift that picks up about this time.
From Paolo Rossi of the Gruppo Aeromodellistico Falci Bergamo.
Group photo.
Alessandro Rosetti
Bruno Bassani
Carlo Ponceri
Gabriele Michieleto
Gianfranco Gilardi
Gianni Zambelli
Mauro Maffeis
Paolo Erba
Paolo Riboli
Paolo Rossi
Roberto Viti
Simone Ghilardi
Rich Greenwood, Keystone Radio Control Club group photo.
Alex Cameron of the Epsom Model Aircraft Club.
Eric Grigg.
Ray and Wendy Millard.
Richard Pidduck.
Butch. Description and video below in Comments.
Robin and Margaret Willes.
Kenneth T. Brown
Hi Darcy,
This is really for Gary’s list, although I don’t seem to be able to find where to send it!
Ken and Beverley Brown flew Cloud Tramps at Beaulieu Airfield (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Beaulieu), often used by the aforementioned Bournemouth Model Flying Society.
A couple of pics are attached. (above)
Kenneth T Brown
Roy & Barbara Tiller members of Bournemouth MAS, being away from home flew Cloud Tramps on the cricket field at Milborne Port, near Sherborne UK.
Hi Gary
Here are two more flyers for your list. Robin usually runs the gathering at Epsom. He has asked me to forward this info and pictures.
Alex
Arctic Cloud Tramp
The P&O ship Oriana was leaving Isafjordur in Iceland when it was 5pm in England. I flew my on third size ‘travel Tramp’ in the (netted) tennis court on deck 12, re wound and Margaret made a flight too.
At 66.04 North we claim to be the most northerly CT flyers.
Robin and Margaret Willes (usually at Epsom Downs).
Sat, Aug 11, 2018 9:54 am
Here’s a couple of pics of the Cloud Hobo (above). Hoping this works.
Butch
Fri, Aug 10, 2018 7:31 am
Hi Gary,
The Magic 200! Excellent job Gary and it seems likely to be even better next year judging by the comments.
Best regards,
Mike
Thu, Aug 9, 2018 12:22 pm
Afternoon guys,
Have been waiting for our times on Mimloct…..maybe later….10 or 12 I think.
Jon McVay
Fri, Aug 10, 2018 5:21 am
My earlier announcement got lost.
Please add my name to the list of participants for MIMLOCT.
—
A.T. Yuhasz
Denver, CO
Hello Gary
Nottingham MAC had a get-together last night for a control line competition and I got a bit more info. Six members, not five, flew at Gotham. They were Ian Hewitt, Peter Warne, Peter Arkley, Doug Hunt, Dave Wright and A. N. Other. Richard Granger, as I said in my email to Mike, flew elsewhere, making it seven of us altogether. Everyone is full of praise for the performance of the CT and looking forward to next ear’s MIMLOCT.
Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 5:34 AM
Hi Darcy.
I am pleased to report that 36 Members of the Caterham and District Model Flying Club, with friends from Croydon Airport Model Flying Club joined in the mass launch at 17.00 on 4th August.
Our names are listed below for the record.
Best wishes to all Cloud Trampers from the CDMFC.
Richard Pidduck,
Andy Kenning, CDMFC Secretary
James Gordon
Richard Pidduck
Neil Wallis
Alan Boswell
Glyn Walker
Malcolm Thomas
Sheila Thomas
Colin Ruffell
Peter Woloszynowicz
Ben Dean
Wayne Agnew
James Read
Nick Fellah
Gavin Barden
Peter Royall
Alan Todd
Emay Toha
Emma Chase
Shane Marsh
Trevor Searle
Bev Searle
Terry Harmer
Alison Langham
Phillip Langham
David Colley
Alan Wright
Matthew Wright
Christian Marryat
Keith Lester
Mike Russell
Stuart Willis
Ted Colley
Frances Pidduck
Geoff Blachford
Graham Harrison
CDMFC,
Great effort folks and an impressive video!
Mike Parker
Hello Gary,
The South Bristol MAC took place in the mass launch for the first time this year. We combined the mass launch with our ‘family day’ at RAF Colerne in Wiltshire (UK). We had great weather and lots of really good practice flights that didn’t necessarily get replicated in the actual mass launch!
Eleven took part – Martin Ambrose , John Bond , Dick James , Pete Morrison , John Mealing , Phil Darke , Peter Tribe , Stephen Blades , Jim Andrews and Dave Hanks. Mervyn Harris couldn’t make it to site and flew on his local recreation ground in Dursley. ‘Last man down’ Peter Tribe received an Aeromodeller ‘Cloud Tramp’ mug for his achievement.
Hopefully next year a few more members might have a go?
Short video of launch on YouTube at https://youtu.be/fsl0Wwa3RAs also on our website on the “latest events” page https://www.southbristolmac.co.uk/latest-events.
Dave Hanks
Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 2:54 PM
Wendy and I flew from a Lincolnshire field this year, as we were on our way home from East Kirkby Flying Display. We just made the deadline and flew in a flat calm!
Regards,
Ray Millard.
Tue, Aug 7, 2018 11:43 am
Hello Gary
Eric from North Bay Ontario Canada. Aug 4/18 was a beautiful day with a light breeze from the west. Put 700 winds in the motor as a result of not noting before hand that the rubber had cracks and didn’t want to hopefully loose my moment of flight. It survived and gave me a 20 second flight.
Take care Gary
Eric Grigg
7 Aug 2018 12:14 p.m.
Hi Mike
I missed Grant MIMLOCT this year – I was on a train coming home from London at the time. I understand that Nottingham MAC managed six participants, including Richard Granger who was visiting family in St. Albans but still magaged to fly on a football field. I have not managed to get the names of the five who flew at Gotham, but it appears they all enjoyed the event. If I do get any more info I will let you know.
Cheers
Tony Brookes
Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 6:59 AM
Hi Darcy,
Here are the Cloud Trampers on a glorious day, just after the launch.
We fly on Epsom Downs Racecourse, where models have always been flown, and remains largely unchanged!
Epsom Model Aircraft Club organise the day, with Ted Horne providing the count down and this picture.
Thanks for hosting the Cloud Tramp homepage
Alex Cameron
Tue, Aug 7, 2018 6:07 am
Gary,
Attached is the Keystone Radio Control (KRC), Souderton, PA 2018 MIMLOCT group photo. (2 file types) We had 15 pilots launch into 15 mph winds. 5 were lost in trees and 2 recovered.(we don’t have a great FF field) This has been our 3rd annual launch.
Thanks for posting on the site.
Rich Greenwood
Hi Gary
wasn’t sure where to post the record.
I got about 15 seconds in a VERY small field out back
Garry
So then it begs the question ; when is a Cloud Tramp not a Cloud Tramp ?
In other words how much can one deviate from the original plan and still retain the Cloud Tramp identity ?
Miniaturized Tramps ( ours are 5/8 scale ) seem to fit the bill, but if we put the wing on top and the motor beneath ( which makes a lot of sense ) does the result cease to be the “Cloud Tramp ” ?
Comments welcomed.
Balsa and thermals forever !
Frank
Mon, Aug 6, 2018 9:13 am
Here’s the mods.
I moved the tail feathers to the top of the fuselage.
I moved the prop hanger and the rear hook to the bottom of the fuselage. I moved the rear hook forward to the front of the stab. I made the prop hanger from wire and brass tubing so it would be adjustable.
I attached the wing to a 3 sided sliding piece on top of the fuse with pins to take small rubber bands front and rear to hold it on.
One unintentional mod. I put the ribs in backwards and didn’t realize until the glue had set. I just turned the wing around. Doesn’t seem to hurt the flying any.
I call my version the Cloud Hobo since it’s close but not quite a true Cloud Tramp.
If you want to copy and paste this into a message for the group, I wouldn’t mind. I’ll try and put some pictures up somewhere later this week.
Butch AKA Bargle
It is windy and overcast near Rochester Minnesota USA but I made several flights from a Cloud Tramp built from a Volare kit. Not the exact time but I was driving by the farm I fly from.
I have to say the Cloud Tramp is a stable airplane and handled gusty conditions pretty well.
Short video
https://youtu.be/fXK2rtaNxno
Bill Kuhl
Cloud Tramps are fun to fly on every other day of the year, too.
Well, my flight was much the same as last year. About 3 seconds. Up and right back down. My fuselage had developed a twist since last year. I thought I had it straightened out, but between my early morning trim flights and noon, it crept back in. I’m going to just build a new fuselage rather than keep fighting it. My plane is a modified Cloud Tramp I call the Cloud Hobo.
Butch,
Tell us about the modifications. Pictures would be nice.
Gary
Here’s the flight video. It’s very short. Sigh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ybfxKU8p8Q
The following members of Cornwall Vintage Aeomodellers Flew their CT’s at various places around the county.
Paul Burt, Stuart Church, Barbara Jones, John Jones, Ron Marking, Chris Morton and Dave Powis.
Sun, Aug 5, 2018 11:30 pm
Dear Gary,
here with enclosed please find our 13 club members single photo plus the group one.
Launch took place at our club air field situated at Palosco ( Bergamo ) North Italy at 18:00 hrs. local time
We did enjoy and after the launch we had a sparkling wine toast in memory of Charles Hampson Grant .
Thank you for loading our photos on the MIMLOCT web site. (Above.)
All the best, ciao, Paolo Rossi
Sun, Aug 5, 2018 10:23 am
Bill and Ken Hannan flew our vintage Peanut Scale Cloud Tramp on 9 AM at Poulsbo, Washington State.
Wonderful that the tribute to Charlie Grant continues!
Thank you,
Bill
Hi Gang.
The 2018 Cloud Tramp Mass Launch had 11 people today at the Yorktown land field.
We arrived at the Yorktown land field today and the gate was locked.
Jim Kelly had to go to Abram Van Dover’s house and get his wife to find the key for the gate.
Jim got the key and unlocked the gate just in time for the Cloud Tramp Mass Launch at 12 noon.
Then we went to Joe & Mimma’s Italian Pizza to cool off and some good food.
Here is the group of flyers lined up ready to fly.
(Photo above.)
From left to right: Ed Dullaghan, John Tate, Dianne Tate, Emily Steele, Fran Kolet, Bobby Rosenbaum, Dave Shuster, Kory Steele, Dean Giacopassi, Charlotte Kelly and Jim Kelly.
The weather was nice. All models launched did land back on the field.
Click on the link below to see a small video clip of the launch from my hard hat cam:
https://youtu.be/2OsB-K6xjuc
Another Cloud Tramp Mass launch is in the books.
John Tate
Hi John,
It was Earl Stahl who got Loren Dietrich interested in the Cloud Tramp in the first place. He joined in the fun second time round and you folks have been celebrating his legacy, together with CHG’s ever since. Great to see Gary injecting new life into the event. Mike Parker
Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 6:29 AM
Hi Gary –
I hope this reaches you OK.
Herewith a video of our (my wife Melanie and I) Cloud Tramp Day exploits yesterday in the far outpost of sunny Shropshire in the UK. I hope it’s downloadable on to your MIMLOCT 2018 pages on Endless Lift. Herewith also a pic of the end result ion that flight. Safely retrieved!
If you’d prefer to receive info and pix by posting on the 2018 pages of your website let me know. I’m attaching this video link as I wasn’t sure how else to send such a large file. Any advice?
Best wishes
Simon Milan
(Photo above.)
Hi Gary,
We flew as indicated at 1600hrs local.
8 of us gathered by the Auckland War Memorial Museum to fly the Annual
MIMLOC event. This year was a first as we broke ranks to fly on the 4
August at local time equivalent of 1700hrs BST. We were blessed with a
fine warm winter day and light SW breeze that eased during the 15
minutes we flew in front of a reasonable crowd. Those attending were
Paul Evans, Martin Evans, Skyla Evans, Kywyn Evans, Don Spray, George
Fay, Stan Mauger and Ricky Bould.
For us it was nice to be able to give the Cloud Tramps a good airing and
not be worrying about loosing them in the night. Photos attached.
Yours aye
Ricky
(Photos above.)
Dick Roddy flew a Cloud Tramp on 8/4/18 at 11:00 AM in Friendswood, Texas
to participate in MIMLOCT
Sat, Aug 4, 2018 3:00 pm
Normally I would put up a flight out at the Grassy Knoll in Sepulveda Basin–this year duty–and my wefe–called. At the appointed hour 0900 here in Los Angeles my wife and I were just starting a training session with our rescue dog and the trainer. Next year I’ll be trampin’ again.
Mike Myers
Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 1:25 PM
Hello Gary,
We flew the Grant mimloct here in Trinity, Florida USA. We found an open but weedy field nearby. Photo attached of the two of us, Joan Campbell and Stu Cummins launching our Cloud Tramps. We have previously flown with the McCook FAC in Ohio, but are now full time in Florida. Thanks much for taking over this fun event. Stu and Jo.
(Photo above.)
Sat, Aug 4, 2018 10:21 am
Several flights outside of Rochester Minnesota, cloudy skies, and wind at 8 mph.
https://youtu.be/fXK2rtaNxno
Video
Bill Kuhl
(Photos above.)
Sat, Aug 4, 2018 9:46 am
Reporting in, Gary: Carol and I made our MIMLOC flights in the backyard, have a replacement started, gotta finish that for next year – one of our two “antiques” is kinda “run out” and needs to go bye-bye.
Great weather here, right now at least.
wombat
Sat, Aug 4, 2018 9:41 am
Hi Gary,
Mike Parker and Yvette Wilkinson flew two CTs in Anlaby, Hull, UK at 5pm BST Aug 4th.
I flew my original CT, which has taken part in every
GM event since the first one way back in 1995.
Greetings to Trampers every where and special thanks to Gary for taking over the organisation and expanding the scope. Long may the GM event continue to flourish!
Mike Parker
(Photos above.)
Sat, Aug 4, 2018 9:20 am
https://youtu.be/fXK2rtaNxno
Windy here but I made some flights.
Bill Kuhl
Sat, Aug 4, 2018 9:17 am
Alas, moderate to heavy rain all day here in western CT.
Thayer Syme
Thayer, and Everybody,
In view of the larger purpose of the MIMLOCT, don’t be too strict about the time and date. If the weather is inclement, wait for suitable weather and make a flight. The goal is to enjoy flying your Cloud Tramp and remember Charlie Grant.
Sat, Aug 4, 2018 7:15 am
tnx, Gary, for some reason i thought it was next week 😬!!
SO, some quick patching and new motors, got Carol’s and mine ready to check out. Just do short flights across the back yard, maybe the grass will even be dry (heavy dew).
wombat
Fri, Aug 3, 2018 10:10 pm
Hi Gary,
everything is ready fm our side, meeting this evening at 18:00 italian time
photos will follow
thank you and best regards, Paolo Rossi
Fri, Aug 3, 2018 5:59 pm
I flew my Cloud Tramp last evening in preparation for Saturday, it does ROG easily.
http://www.endlesslift.com/the-23rd-charles-hampson-grant-memorial-international-mass-launch-of-cloud-tramps-2018/
Bill Kuhl
(Bill’s pictures are in the main article, above.)
Yesterday at the appointed mimloct hour we both successfully launched our Cloud Tramp models watched by our daughter and son-in -law on a field in Humberston Grimsby N.E.Lincolnshire.
Geoff and Annie Cutting (both octogenarians!)
Hi everyone,
A beautiful day for the mass launch at Epsom, UK.
Our current heat wave was toned down a little by a cooling northerly breeze.
Many thanks to the Epsom club for organising a one day insurance for the flyers and Ted Horne who did the MC’ing.
Here is the list of Trampers, 17 in all.
Alex Cameron
Leon Cameron
Jack Darby
Daniel Senior
Dick Stepney
Rod Green
Pauline Holloway
Sally Holloway
John Barker
Tony Tomlin
Mike Etheridge
Martin Emery
Peter Norman
Tim Mountain
Mike Ayers
Brian Burke
Peter Reo
Cloud Tramp flyers on august 4:
Hildur Lundhaug, Norway
Ole Torgersen, Norway
Let it be known that Mary Dahlberg and Frank Scott burst the surly bonds at 1200 hours Eastern Daylight Time this day, at Prangmore Aerodrome with their tried and trusty “Cloud Tramps”
Balsa & thermals forever !
Saturday 4th August. We have just completed the ‘land of our fathers’ MIMLOCT in North Wales,UK. We flew from an upland bog near Mynydd Llandegai, near Bethesda, Gwynedd. There were six in our mass launch, which was at 1700BST….ish. Trimming flights were happening at the proper time.
The weather, scenery and company were good. I can never explain why, but there is something great about seeing a rubber powered plane you built from bits of wood actually flying.
There is a video on Facebook, search for ‘Indoor Model Flying In Bethesda’.
Photo to follow.
Mass launch participants: Martin Pike, Dave Lane, Sarah Collick, Ilona Kurta, Alex Kraus, Ruben Schlegel-Evans.
Also involved; Rory Pike, Caitlin Pike, William Green, Caden Burke.
8 members of Grantham and District Model Aircraft Society, U.K. launched their Cloudtramps at R.A.F. Barkston Heath, Lincolnshire, at 5pm BST on Aug. 5th. They were Ken Norton, David Leeding, Reg Kinsey, Ken Weeden, Ian Hibbert, Diane Hibbert, Brian Howell and Kim Howell.
1:00 pm Saturday August 4 2018
In Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada on a bright and sunny 26deg C day and 9 kph wind we had three Cloud Trampers.
John and Brian Richards and John O’Sullivan.
Everything went fine until John O’S planted his Cloud tramp 40 ft up in a tree.
(Photo above.)
count me in cloud tramp jr and the full sized version both launched
Hi on what must have been one of the hottest mass launch Saturdays for some years. Dave Rumball John Brown Tony Johnson and Brian Lever all flew at 1700hrs at Ferry Meadows Peterborough Cambridgeshire UK Great time was had by all. Thanks for your organizing Dave
The McCook Field Squadron FAC flew our Cloud Tramps at the world’s first airfield, Huffman Prairie, Dayton Ohio where the Wright’s learned to fly and taught the world. Our numbers were down this year but we gave it everything we had. The fliers were Val Dahlem, Jim Bair and Tom Ersted (left to right in the photo, above). The structure in the background is a replica of the Wright’s original hanger.
Thanks to good weather, we had two first time MIMLOCT participants log noon flights here in Warrenton, Virginia. Larry Parks suggested we participate, and he built two models- one with carved prop, one with a plastic prop, both with the rubber band switched to the bottom of the fuselage. Larry feels this lowers the CG and allows the model to fly without as much dihedral, and his models flew great. I made a model with no real modifications to the plans, and carved the prop and the wheels. Amrboid glue was used to add to the retro feel. Good fun!
Bill Hadden
Hello,
Assisted by my daughter Rebecca, I launched my Cloud Tramp at 1700 BST, the location was Salisbury, Wiltshire, UK. Only a short flight of 27 seconds but great fun!
Regards,
Steve Truckle
Sam Burke here in Waterloo Ontario Canada (same 1200 time zone as New York).
Very breezy but managed a few seconds of flight.
Hello Gary It’s Eric Grigg from North Bay Ontario Canada. I will have one, possibly two Cloud Tramp’s to launch on Aug.4/18 Will send you a report on our launch(s).
Take care
Eric
Ricky,
Although the original concept was to have a simultaneous worldwide launch, it is really more appropriate to have everyone launch at the same local time. The purpose is to celebrate Charles Grant and his contributions to model aviation and I think facilitating the largest number of participants makes more sense than having a much smaller number of flyers launching at the same time. I will change the basic concept of the event accordingly.
Thank you for your comment and participation. I look forward to your report.
(Ricky is with the Auckland Model Aircraft Club who participate in the annual Cloud Tramp event at 0400 on the 5 August, that being the corrected time in New Zealand.)
Gary Hinze
Gary,
In defference to age and also to attract more entries we are moving our flying of Cloud Tramp from 0400 hrs on the 5 August to 1600 hrs on the 4 August as this is the equivelant to 1700 BST. I will send a report. It will be nice to see where the models are going.
Ricky